Matt_95 Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 The water comes from many different places now and they change where teh water comes from all the time. Sometimes it has ammonia ect. in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted October 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 To be honest, I think I have lost my confidence in reading when the female is ready. In this case, both females were showing bars and "looked" close enough to be let out. I think I just rushed it. The little voices in my head were telling me that I should wait another 24 hours, (but we had just argued about whether we were going to run down the road naked in the rain under the full moon, so we weren't listening to what one another were saying...) I let both females out after 12 hours. Both males were ready and had HUGE.......nests. The DT female hid in the java fern (that's technical speak for weed, Busman) and watched the male who would try and entice her over and then go back to the nest to nurse his wounded pride. In the end, he lost the plot sometime last night and beat the living daylights out of her. She now looks like Rhianna after going a couple of rounds with Chris Brown. In the other spawn tank, the female seemed more ready and was constantly swimming over to the nest and scoping out the scene. She would circle around with the male under the nest, then dart off at the last second. I figured that things weren't too far off, The male was gentle and not attacking. The female would eventually let him into her sweet embrace and things would progress normally, right? Wrong. After a day and a halsf of this, the female started getting nasty. A nip here, one of my boys beautiful HM fins torn there, but still he persisted. I figured she just liked it a little rough. I got up this morning to find the female under the nest and the male a shredded quivering mess hiding behind a large Java Fern leaf (that's more weed Busman ) @ Kertaz - Yes, that's the same fish. He's had more costume changes than a Lady Gaga concert :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melbournebetta Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Ah bugga.... This is why I don't start spawn logs early, or speculate - could it be your jinxing it? Nah - that can't be it... dammit, my technique isnt working either. Bloody cricket-season, never thought I'd tell it to hurry UPPPP! Could it just be sesonal? Its not you, its them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sara_01 Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 have you tried floating the female in a container that is just level with the surface of the tank water? This is what I do and I find that the female usually jumps into the main tank when she's ready. Sorry to hear the spawns didn't work out for you :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted October 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Worth a shot Sara (and a damn side less messy than slaughtering a goat to the betta gods under the full moon ) I'll give it a go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_95 Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Thats a great idea! Thats how my first spawn happened, I didn't intentionally plan for that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 I am up for the slaughter of the goat. Whoops, didn't mean to say that out loud. Lol. Great to see some humor returning. Knowing your luck Jarrod, the boy will jump in with the girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Nudie runs in the rain on a full moon, slaughtering of goats.... No wonder you've got a gypsy curse over your fish room..... Don't know that the girl jumping out of her container will guarantee a successful spawn, as she may jump to "escape" his advances, but I like the concept. PS if you run naked down the street with a full moon... how many moons is that??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted October 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Hey, the voices tell me that will lift the curse. My argument is that a second full moon will play havoc with the tides and throw out the spawning instincts of not only bettas, but anyone/thing that bears witness to it *lol* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 I have a goat! but I am not to sure of the nude run, well not since the nude bicycle accident. any way thats another story for another forum but needless to say no damage was done to the spokes only me. Cheers Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kertaz Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Might be obvious, but.. if you put a couple of holes in the container, put the container inside the spawn tank, it'll float, just on the even level with water surface. With this, the female doesn't need to re-acclimatise when she jumped out. As long as its not the other way around (male jumped in), it should be ok. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luv_my_fish Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 PS if you run naked down the street with a full moon... how many moons is that??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I don't know if this will be of any help to you, but it seems to somewhat work for me... I just put the male and female together...if there is minimal/no damage, I just leave them together until I catch them spawn. My stats on this method so far are: 3 different pairs 1st pair spawned but the male ate the eggs - spawned 3 days after being put together 2nd spawn I got fry (4 of them left though) - spawned 3 or so weeks after being put together 3rd pair tried to spawn, but I think it was the males first time and didn't do it properly and therefore ate the unfertilised eggs - spawned 1 day after being out together Worth a shot I guess...if you want to take the risk hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melbournebetta Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted October 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 You want me to slaughter Barry White on a full moon Ness? Isn't he already dead??? Actually, sad to say, but I've tried playing some Baz to get them in the mood... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melbournebetta Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 forget the nude bloodshed.... get the tunes right and turn the lights down low......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les Posted October 16, 2011 Report Share Posted October 16, 2011 My Mum always said "At night all cats are gray" so I turn the lights off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted November 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Well, it has been close to a month since my last attempts, so I guess it is time to start again. Got a couple of boys blowing bubbles, so think I might give them a go. Think I'll try - Dumbo Salamander HM male(Tail biter extraordinaire) x Green Dragon HMPK female and Black Dragon HMPK male x Black Orchid CT female OR Silver/Yellow Marble Dragon VT male x Green Dragon HMPK female and Yellow Marble HMPK male x Black Orchid CT female I could go on and on with possible combinations, but have decided on these for now I want a long finned spawn for a change. I miss watching my boys sprouting :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 And the race is on. Lol. :-). Good luck mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted November 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Yep, the never-ending revolving door on the spawn tank is turning again :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Good luck Jarrod I like the sound of those combos espaecial the Black Dragon Orchid CT X Cheers Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melbournebetta Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I've got everything crossed for you - get that dumbo in STAT! x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 He's in. I changed my mind about the girly. I don't want to mess with his colouration too much, so have partnered him with the white HMPK female. She was a good breeder. I hope he is gentle with her... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melbournebetta Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 whats the ratio of tail type when u cross HM x PK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 As she is HMPK, 1st gen will all be long fin with the normal ratio of HMs, SDs etc that you would get in a HM spawn. All would carry the short fin gene. If I then bred siblings, I would get 50% long finned that carried short fin, 25% pure long finned and 25% pure short finned. 2 goals here - 1. To establish the dominance of the big ears gene 2. Hopefully develop 1 line of HM big ears and 1 link of HMPK big ears. If I can keep the salamander colouring, all the better :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Progress report - not a lot happening in the black dragon hmpk x black orchid ct tank, so will see what tomorrow brings. Looks like the salamander hm dumbo x opaque hmpk are close to wrapping. I've been watching them for an hour or so. Big nest, female as keen as mustard to do the deed. With a couple of spawns under her belt, I think she has been trying to show dumbo what to do. She keeps approaching the nest and sidling up to the male. He is too busy wriggling and dancing and clumsily knocks her away. One instance, the female tried to flip herself upside down and wrap dumbo herself. Surely he will get the message sooner or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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