Neffy Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) These fish look female dont they ? (excuse the colour the light is a red light didnt work well with my camera) They are 1+ year old here, from HM longfin parents. see first log link in siggy. Edited May 19, 2011 by Neffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 They look female to me. Why do you think you are going crazy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neffy Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) Because one of them after almost 2years of age and living with its siblings peacfully was jarred (new temp housing) and has decided its fins and ventrals are going to start growing a little bit more each day and now looks like a male fish Edited May 19, 2011 by Neffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Wow. Any chance of a photo of the offending fish..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 :blink: wow.... do you have a photo? And here I was worrying about some of my 8 month olds just sprouting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neffy Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) I will photo when I get home tonight! I just cant stop thinking about it then i looked up the old photos and i went more crazy and i couldnt withold a post untill tonight. Even the behaviour has changed, yes she challenged and was top of the pecking order before but wasnt aggressive but now any fish pass her coke bottle and the flare and aggression is on, i wont release her again she would go mental Edited May 19, 2011 by Neffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Did you get many recognizable males from the spawn? I know they are "getting on" in breeding terms, but would you try to breed them if it turns out you have an extremely late bloomer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 So you don't believe it's a he then? Maybe CT are different as I can sex 90% of my last 3 spawns very early on. By week six at the latest. The most reliable way I have found is the anal fin. More so the way the ray extensions are shaped and look of it, not by the length. Is it possible for these fish to hold off puberty until conditions allow for breeding? What I mean is, can a male not sprout while he is in community tank with no territory but once he has his claim on a territory, then sprouts? Long shot but other animals do similar things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neffy Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) The spawn of about 30 fish had one male that I never saw develop I gave it away early on, they took a very long time to grow and even longer to colour up. At 3months I jarred every single one of them and they lived in their jars for a long time untill they grew to an adult size amd I sold them, the keepers where all put into a community tank and lived like that together untill now when i moved them out of the community tank & put a few that looked a bit worn out into jars floating with the rest of them. Jarrod: I might try breeding them yea just to keep this line going many attempts with them have been fails (maybe because they are all boys T_T) Busman: It has to be a he ! it just looked female for so long with a large tummy like it had eggs. betta are not gender changing fish are they? Your theory sounds good but they where jarred while I waited for them to grow then moved to a community. the fish in question im almost certin is the fish in the first photo does that anal fin look female or male? Edited May 19, 2011 by Neffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Lol.......you got me then Neffy. That blew my theory out the window. The reason I asked what you thought is you are still calling it a she. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neffy Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Haha I know its hard to adjust ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melbournebetta Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 My mate has an ENORMOUS male cat that she bought as a "small female" her name is "evie" and is still referred to as a SHE, even after it was castrated. Another gender bender. Betta aren't self sex changing, however there IS a very simple bit of surgery that can be done to 'change' the sex of these fish... as illustrated in some of the 'reading' articles I posted a few weeks back. Totally and entirely possible that this is a late blooming male - particularly if you found these ones slow developers..... This could well be the best news yet! F1 F1 ! Lucky you have that lovely new fish tank to play with -hopefulNess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neffy Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) It could be possible that they didnt mature in the jars being so slow to develop that busmans theory is still valid that then having no territory futher prevented them from maturing. Its been such a shock tho id have thought them well and truely done even that they where probably too old to breed now It is good news but it increases my must breed list yet again (if he will) lol! each time ive looked over at the new tank ive been filled with hopes and dreams XD Edited May 19, 2011 by Neffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melbournebetta Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 So you should be inspired young lady! I also have some Salamander kids (as you saw) hurtling along nicely on the growth charts... and there's always your georgous man. Can't wait to see what comes out of that tank! xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neffy Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 ok so what you think now, definetly male yea ? p.s i hate the topline bump he seems to have >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Definitely looks male Do these guys carry DT in their background? That topline bump isn't too severe. If you try to breed him (?) if you have a female with a good topline, it should balance things out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neffy Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Dont know what the parents came from could of been ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 Lol. I would say male. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted May 19, 2011 Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 I think you're looking at a moderate-severe rose tail issue here, Neffy. The reports on rosetail are that it can cause stunted/retarded growth, pale colouration, scale irregularities and poor caudal fin development. The tell tail sign is excessive ray branching and this trait is demonstrated nicely in the dorsal of this little BOY. Breeding siblings in this instance is probably asking for trouble. Breeding with this fella is also probably not a good idea, but in terms of using him to increase caudal branching, etc etc, rosetails have been, and will continue to be used to achieve this result... I personally would not use this fella for breeding purposes - sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neffy Posted May 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2011 (edited) No worries Paul very good to hear your thoughts on it extreme rosetail was not something id considered because the branching didnt overlap each other (untill now) like i have seen in other rosetails but it does describe the situation rather well! also some of the spawn have just withered away with no symptoms scale irregularities in the pic are more from fighting/missing scales none of the spawn had xfactor scalling. Edited May 19, 2011 by Neffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les Posted May 20, 2011 Report Share Posted May 20, 2011 Hi Neffy Did he/She never show an ovipositer and if (it) did has it gone now? Cheers Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neffy Posted May 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 It's hard to say for sure because off living with very similar siblings but they where always very big tummied fish leading me to think they where full off eggs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les Posted May 21, 2011 Report Share Posted May 21, 2011 OK but big tummys asside was there ever a whitish spot before the anal fine? as it looked like it in the first photo but not in the second and if that is the case then im realy confused (which I do know dosnt take much) I have heard of males showing an ovipositer but have never seen it my self WOW nature is so crazy some days Cheers Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neffy Posted May 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 he looked like his siblings is all I can really say, in my mind they where all females so I never inspected for white spots on any regular basis after I made that decision. I think younger males show it then grow out of it so that could be what convinced me he was female that and his fins where of a female length for 2years and he swam about with them every day and didn't kill them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanger Posted May 22, 2011 Report Share Posted May 22, 2011 Or spawn with them either obviously! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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