Sarah Posted November 13, 2010 Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 Having another look on AquaBid.. lots of pretty fish! Not quite what you are looking for yet though. Will post if I find something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Posted November 13, 2010 Report Share Posted November 13, 2010 Sorta? Still not quite there. A sorta female. Not there yet.. a little closer. Pretty male, still not there sorry. Maybe? Piccy not quite clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Posted November 14, 2010 Report Share Posted November 14, 2010 Ooohh, this one is pretty. I hope I can be of some help Shadoh.. really I'm just picking out red Bettas and posting the links. Maybe I'm just looking for fun. Now on, I'll just post the links on the SPOT ON Betta in the shade you want. Ok.. already I just broke that rule of mine. THIS looks pretty close.So sorry Shadoh.. I went through all the Bettas that came up in the search of "red", but none fit. Well, at least I got to look at some pretty Bettas! :giggle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted November 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Some nice fish you've been spotting there Sarah! You are better than me at finding them! I think I will stay close to home and see if I can find something here in Brissie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Posted November 15, 2010 Report Share Posted November 15, 2010 Yeah, I would prefer looking for some nearby too. All I did was went into the Beta section.. and went though each fin type one by one. I typed in the keyword "red" and whatever popped up were usually red fish (though some were not). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volvodriver Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 Is now a bad time to mention that I saw a gorgeous red plakat pair at someone's today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted November 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 Probably... I'm not cashed up until next week. I have been given a male VT the colour I am after though, so that is some good news. His name is Scarlett La Rouge :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanagi Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 I've been considering buying someone's red plakat pair even though my bank account is still sobbing after the last few pairs.. They look a bit lighter than I really like.. Were they this light to the naked eye, Paul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volvodriver Posted November 18, 2010 Report Share Posted November 18, 2010 She is a bit lighter, but I would say that he is a bit darker, still not completely as dark as you are looking, but they're form is really nice so could be a nice place to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanagi Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 I wish I had more time to think about it.. I do have some very rich blood red dragon Plakats, I wonder if I could breed the dragon out of them but keep the darker colouration.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted November 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 It can be done by breeding to non-dragon reds over a generation or 2, but why would you? The only thing better than a blood red betta is a blood red dragon betta! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanagi Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 'Cause I already have red dragons lol.. I want plain reds as well. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Always good to have both strains then! Double the fun! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted November 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 In that case, It's time to breed the dragon out of them... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 I think you already have Shadoh on the waiting list Yan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted November 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 <_<:yes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarah Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Hmm.. how did I know? :giggle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettarazzi Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 It would be interesting to see how long it would take to get the dragon irid out. Getting rid of the little spots of blue is the most common complaint from breeders of reds. If you're starting with a dragon it could be quite a challenge. But then I've seen dragon spawns where a lot of the fry didn't develop full dragon irid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanagi Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 It looks like the red pair are still avaliable.. But I think they are indeed too light coloured, but then perhaps I could use them to work on my oranges as well. I think I'm trying to talk myself into it when I know I shouldn't be spending money on fish. *lol* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted November 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 *lol* Yan. I am the complete opposite, I am trying to talk myself OUT of it!!! Bettarazzi, I was talking to someone about it the other day and they said something similar, likening it to being easier than getting red wash out of a line of blues. I am then guessing that the dragon gene is only partly dominant, as I have seen offspring of dragon/non dragon crosses and the dragon scaling is less even and on a lot - non existent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettarazzi Posted November 23, 2010 Report Share Posted November 23, 2010 Of course, the dragon scales are known to develop late. I'm not sure how long you need to wait but I guess 6-8 months should show whether the dragon irid is going to develop or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted November 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2010 Found this page while searching for something else. Shows the result of a dragon x non dragon pairing... http://bettafishstore.com/RESULT-OF-MATCHING-SUPER-BLACK-WITH-BLACK-DRAGON-BETTA-FISH.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettarazzi Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 But it looks like the breeder only did a single pairing. Dragon scales may not be dominant but the results look like even heterozygous dragons show increased or different iridescence to the original non-dragon male. I would have done a few more generations. Nevertheless I think the F1 were quite attractive so still wouldn't be classed as a fail in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadoh Posted November 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 I too am a little surprised the breeder labelled that as a fail. An F2 with the 2 heaviest dragon like iridescence or even a back cross to the mother would have come close to the results he was after. Even the tiny amount of knowledge I have on betta genetics, I realise that to develop a new trait in an existing line will take many generations to perfect. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 Not trying to br a stick in the mud, but technically, his assumption was that you could get black dragon from a dragon x non-dragon pairing. With the outcome being that he got metallic blue irid over black, then his assumption was incorrect, thereby a fail. They are beautiful nonetheless. Back to the issue of getting the dragon out of red dragon line, I don't know if anyone has actually tried. I would love to know if it would be easier than you would guess. See I have a little theory about what dragon is genetically speaking, which would make it a little easier to line breed the dragon out of a dragon line. The only bit that doesn't fit in my theory is why dragons have to have a mask... Hmmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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